You argue that Muslims beat their wives…you are right, some Muslims hit thier wives…but by me saying that some Athiests, Christians and Buddists beat their wives, I am not justifying what Muslims do, i am making the point that the problem is in human nature. All human races and groups and socities have many of the same faults. Just because someone who defends Islam says “ur a hypocrite because you follow a religion that the slave masters imposed on you” doesnt mean they are not answering your question, they are making the point that you shouldnt speak on an issue if you yourself are guilty of it.

People claim Islam was spread by the sword…now, i can argue that Christianity was spread by Slavery…why can you say the first one and I cant saw the second????? and if i do, you sidestep it and dont acknowledge it.

I’m stating the obvious and I’m demonizing….uhh yeah.

DMG, I know you enjoy debating for the sake of debating, but I don’t. One of the things I hate is repeating myself twenty different ways for folks who refuse to take the time to understand my points or answer any of my questions. Christians did not drop atomic bombs nor is the United States a “Christian nation”. This whole conversation was me simply asking the question why the silence from the Muslim community in regards to stark contrast in Muslim culture in African/Middle Eastern countries. I’ll do a post on this later.

You know I cannot let you go on this one. Again I ask, why is the Muslim community quick to point out and rebuke the west for “aggression”, but will barely talk about the abuses that are common within its own institution? Yes, women are abused in other cultures, but if you look closely you will find that much of it is done under the guise of Islam (again, I am referring to African/middle eastern cultures). How many press conferences and riots have you seen done in the name of dennouncing violence against women within Islam by Muslims?? Several people have and they have death threats on them by Muslims (I cannot think of the name of the black woman in the Netherlands who is currently doing this. I’m on my way out the door)

Again, you are reverting back to a time in the Church that has long been admitted as wrong. Now you are justifying terrorism done in the name of Islam and the silence of many in the Islamic community with events that happened well over 100 years ago. Point to something current if you are going to make comparisons.

The point is both are waiting for Him to come.

But again it is not Christians who are destroying viliages, condoning circumcision of women, or blowing up busses to make a point. Again, I want you to point to speciffic (and current) examples where the Christian church as a whole gives the silent treatment to those that use Christianity to force others to convert.

Okay you are going to have to elaborate on this one.

Something I just noticed. First you said this:

“Yes Islam is a religion of peace…”

Then you said this:

The reality of the situation is that protesting what is going on there is likely to bring harm to you family back home.

That’s peace???

If I disagree with stances taken by the church, I don’t have to worry about relatives geting the “point” We just simply agree to disagree. Wife beatings (for example) are very common in Muslim culture outside the US (middle eastern areas), but why is it that I do not hear of Muslim women here in the west protesting against that terrible act? On the other hand if word got out that American troops were doing the same thing, there would be press conferences all over the place. Why is that?

“Just as you can not judge Catholics on the merits of what American priest did, you can not judge all Muslims based on those that are on the fringe.”

If you re-read my post, you will see that I made a distinct difference between Muslims that do push terrorism versus those that do not.

“Many Muslims see what is going on as the Jihad. Just as many Christians see this as the end times.”

Sorry, comparing “jihad” with “end times” is a huge leap. The Bible outlines what will happen in the end times, but you will not find Church-sanctioned actions that push for Christians around the world to “help God” to bring His judgement.

Thanks for responding!

Directly answer the questions I have rasied hereand maybe we can have a more civil and itelligent discussion.